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nilchanceI briefly thought Castiel was played by Jamie Bamber. *facepalm* But OH, omnomnom Misha, with his crazy eyes and his handprint on Dean's arm. My current theory, ready to be Kripke'd? He's related to Mary. Uncle Castiel! Keeping it all in the family!
"You're the closest thing to a father I have." Yeah. My thoughts on this are complicated and not at all shallow. At first, I figured the caveat was, y'know, ALIVE. And then, well. I have thoughts about the common perception of "fatherly" behavior and how Bobby fits it while John, less so, and why that still makes me heart John. Also, I'm wondering if at some point we're going to see Dean ask Castiel where John IS, exactly. Is he in heaven? IS there a heaven? Is he with Mary? Is he (pet theory) waiting around on this plane to watch over his boys?
Miiiiishaaaaa. If I have a Misha/Jeff/Jensen thought, well. You didn't see it here.
Oh, Bobby. I find it interesting that, without layers, Bobby is whipcord skinny. And that the older male hunters we've seen (John, Bobby, Elkins) all bulk themselves up with plaid flannel.
Oh, SAM. *facepalm* If a demon wants you to do it, and it feels good, and it involves lying to Dean straight out of hell? It's a BAD IDEA. Also, you look like you need a long hot shower in lye.
Pamela, omnomnomnom.
Gratuitous half-naked Jensen! And he didn't have to remove an ear this time.
"We have work for you." = callback to "we have work to do." Y/N?
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Date: 2008-09-22 02:04 pm (UTC)Sheesh! God I wish! I'm totally in love with your idea. :D
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Date: 2008-09-22 02:33 pm (UTC)Of course, they could change this, there's a lot of angel mythology out there, but so far they're keeping with the old school lot.
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Date: 2008-09-22 03:19 pm (UTC)What about the Nephilim? I thought those were supposedly the giants born from angel/human mating. And, well, Sam is kinda giant.
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Date: 2008-09-22 08:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-09-23 05:46 pm (UTC)This is from Genesis.
"Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. [...] The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. [bold-face is obvs mine]
Now in Ethiopian Biblical canon, there's the Book of Enoch, considered Apocrypha by the western churches, and we have this:
And it came to pass, after the children of men had increased in those days, beautiful and comely daughters were born to them. 2. And the angels, the sons of the heavens, saw and lusted after them, and said one to another: “Behold, we will choose for ourselves wives from among the children of men, and will beget for ourselves children.”
Same general idea, right? BUT. Then right after that, they talk about this whole begating giants with human women thing for a while and THEN, literally right after, we get this:
And Azâzêl taught mankind to make swords and knives and shields and coats of mail, and taught them to see what was behind them, and their works of art: bracelets and ornaments, and the use of rouge, and the beautifying of the eye-brows, and the dearest and choicest stones and all coloring substances and the metals of the earth. And there was great wickedness and much fornication, and they sinned, and all their ways were corrupt.
CURIOUSER AND CURIOUSER, NO?
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Date: 2008-09-22 04:55 pm (UTC)In the Supernatural mythology, it has been established that when you go to hell, your soul rots and then you forget and then you become a demon. So the human soul = demon given the right circumstance. Carrying that through, a human who goes to heaven may very well find that they've forgotten humanity as well after enough time. God = Crack.
Supernatural girls who die early sounds more like one of the variations on the daughters of Lilith where 1000 of them were doomed to die each day that Lilith didn't turn back to God.. so there were a lot of them dieing all the time.
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Date: 2008-09-22 08:42 pm (UTC)I think that's the plot of "The Prophecy." Thanks for all the info, I knew some of the angel mythology but not the part about Lilith. Can I have recs and/or links of where you got your info? I'm seriously facinated by the old school mythology.
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Date: 2008-09-23 01:54 pm (UTC)Honestly, pretty much everything I have came out of Wikipedia. Specifically the Nephilim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim), Grigori (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori), and Lilith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith) entries. If you want to get really ancient though, there is a wealth of information under the entry for Elohim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim) specifically relating to the plurality of the word (making it analagous to 'pantheon' and Ancient Semetic Religion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Semitic_religion) where it goes into the nitty gritty of the multiple gods that the isrealites worshipped before they were 'jewish'. Add in some of the 'down the page' information from the Yahweh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh) entry and you get the a picture of Yahweh rising to prominence and taking El's possition. Similar in some ways to Zeus taking over from Chronos.
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Date: 2008-09-22 02:11 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-09-22 02:19 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-09-22 02:22 pm (UTC)Oooh, yes. I vote for this; there were all those tantalising Mary plot-points that got dangled and then dropped in season 2 and 3 -- she knew YED, all her friends were up and dying... *wants more Mary*
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Date: 2008-09-22 03:19 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-09-22 02:33 pm (UTC)Two Thoughts:
1) You know. I hadn't thought of that before. But now that you've said this, I keep thinking of cats ruffling up till their fur stands on end. So they look Beeeg! and Strooong! and can keel and ated you!
2) MALE LESBIANS.
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Date: 2008-09-22 03:17 pm (UTC)*gigglesnort* Bobby and John are like those kittens who fight in the Coke box.
John is SUCH a male lesbian, man. Muscle cars? Softball? And Bobby is his hetero life partner.
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Date: 2008-09-22 02:54 pm (UTC)See, you would think, for someone as smart as Sam, that this would seem OBVIOUS. But NO.....
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Date: 2008-09-22 03:12 pm (UTC)I know that he's probably just who he says he is but, wouldn't that be an all-out declaration of war from Heaven against Hell? He did just steal away someone who was contractually bound to the other side by his own free will, didn't he? That could blow the eons long cease-fire right out of the water.
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Date: 2008-09-22 03:20 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-09-22 04:23 pm (UTC)BINGO. That's waaaay up there on my theories about dear Castiel.
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Date: 2008-09-22 03:55 pm (UTC)Yes, a thousand times, yes!!! I called that the first time I watched it. erm....I may have watched the ep, ohhhhh 4 times now??
Another thing I though, which really has nothing to do with anything.... Dean's escape from the grave, just me or was that very much a re-birth scene? If an angel could pull you out of hell, you'd think they could pull you allllllll the way out, not put you in a pine box to dig your way out of. Perhaps the 'rebirth' was necessary? This also combines with the 'no scars.' I'd bet that *all* of Dean's scars (y'know the ones we never see but have to have been there, because hey, hunter) are gone, not just the ones from being a Hellhound's chew toy.
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Date: 2008-09-22 03:56 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2008-09-22 04:12 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-09-22 04:17 pm (UTC)Absolutely, yes!
I giggle when I imagine Jensen groaning as he read the script saying he had to pull up his shirt. Boy doesn't seem to fond of showing his lovely freckly skin! But he had some chemistry with Misha for real. Mmmmrow.
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Date: 2008-09-22 04:19 pm (UTC)Could you please point me to where I will see it? ASAP if not sooner? ::grabby hands::
Also, love love love the rest of the thinky. Yay thinky!
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Date: 2008-09-22 04:46 pm (UTC)Word.
Sam is so going bad this year. I can feel it in my bones. EvilSam/Dean, oh mama!
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Date: 2008-09-22 06:13 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-09-22 08:00 pm (UTC)And I'm just waiting for the Dean/Castiel slash, because hello... so pretty! And if you're selling Misha/Jeff/Jensen, I'll totally buy that.
It looks to me like a lot of the hunters are skinnier then you first think. John is like a grayhound. Dean's about average, so is Bobby. But they use all those layers to make themselves look bigger like scared kittens. *pets the hunters* The only hunter who probably DOESN'T need to use layers to bulk up, is Sammy and his layers actually make him look smaller. Sam eats his wheaties. He also eats Dean's wheaties which is why Sam's so big. Greedy Sam!
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Date: 2008-09-23 01:18 am (UTC)Dude, if that were true? MY ears would be bleeding. And, possibly, I would have passed the fuck out. The hotness alone would be...*waves hands*
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Date: 2008-09-28 09:04 pm (UTC)