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[nilchance]

PAPA. OH DEAN.

That's... pretty much what I've got. And I think that exorcism is going to come around again, because between this and the one-off ouija board comment earlier in the season, my pet fanon is that John is wandering around the country trying to ride the right wires to connect to HIS BOYS. Because if anybody would look at heaven's gates and go "later, I'm busy," it's John Effing Winchester.

Comments

[apieceofcake.livejournal.com]

It was nice to hear his voice again :-)

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

Indeed! Mmm, papa.

[weesta.livejournal.com]

Your icon...it kills me.

What killed me watching the episode was how BADLY Dean wanted it to be John on the phone. But as I was listening and John said, "You're my boy, I love you." ...and I was SO HAPPY TO HEAR THE WORDS at the same time I'm thinking, "There's NO WAY John would say that." and it broke my heart.

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

See, I don't know. Because John DID break a few Winchester codes of non-chick flick in that scene before he died.

[realpestilence.livejournal.com]

Besides, I think dying for your son, going to hell, clawing your way *out* of hell, fulfilling a lifelong quest for vengeance and whatnot might possibly cause a few changes in the old personality.

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

Heh, one of my first reactions to the ep WAS "dude, John's the touchiest-feeliest Winchester after all!"

He certainly hugs easier.

[realpestilence.livejournal.com]

We can't underestimate the effect of John's growing older, either, if my own dad is anything to go by. He's become positively soggy, he's so mushy. *laughs*


I was just thinking of how many life experiences John's had that neither Dean nor Sam has-not only being in a steady, sexual relationship with someone he trusts, but being in love, being married, being a dad...being happy, during those few years of peace before it all went to hell.

Surely, John's been through enough shattering, life-altering experiences to allow the man to tell his boy he loves him, especially considering he's DEAD now.

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

Exactly, God, yes. John's been moderately civilized. (Though I have my theories about John's upbringing and how that could lead him to divorce his parents from their lives, go off to Vietnam and easily adapt to hunting, not to mention his slightly abrupt parenting and the fact that he might well have smacked Sam one during DMB if Dean hadn't intervened.) Sam had a girlfriend and is also moderately civilized, though less so now. So yeah, while I can see why people think "I love you" = DEMON, I personally think that doesn't necessarily mean it's not John.

Coincidentally, I owe you a huge THANK YOU for all the wonderful packages I've been getting. Even if House of Stairs gave me nightmares. *grin* Can I give you fic in response? Just name your poison.

[realpestilence.livejournal.com]

I first read House of Stairs when I was 13 and it gave me nightmares then, too. I found it again a few years ago at a used book store and bought a copy which then sat on my shelf untouched for months. I was scared to pick it up! (The cover was spooky, ok?) I finally had to take it back to the store and swap it out for something else. I think what gets me is how very *possible* it is, with there being so many "disposable" people in the world. *shivers*

I would have addressed the packages to Teesa, too, but I don't know her last name. How far have you gotten? I got more where those came from because amazon is my bestest friend, but I don't want to overwhelm you all at once. I'm pretending I've got some subtlty.


I don't think The Need is particularly well-written, from what I remember; but it's the concept of the Androgyne that I really liked. Intriguing.

Soldier is a good movie and I still don't understand why it didn't do better in the theaters. Kurt Russell's movies are usually very solid and he turns in good to great performances; unfortunately, he's like Dennis Quaid, can't seem to get beyond a certain rung on the Hollywood ladder.

Quarelling, They Met the Dragon is one of those novels I read in my teens that came out and disappeared quickly and quietly; and yet every once in a while, I'll see it mentioned on a rec list or in commentary somewhere. It's not really "apocafiction", but the coping methods that the people came up with are...yucky, for one thing. But like something in an apocafic.


My favorite stories in Still, I Persist in Wondering are the one about Conan and David, and the one with Night Wind in the title. Pangborn's got a lovely way with language.


Re: fic...well, if you want to, who am I to turn it down? *hides grabby hands*

I'm thinking something with Jeff clothed and Jensen naked, preferably in a public setting. An interrupted gang bang or saving him from a bad dom who doesn't appreciate him properly? Both? Jeff, taking some guy's collar off Jensen and putting his own there? *flails*

I certainly wouldn't turn down a spanking...for Jensen, I mean. But anything, really. I don't think you *can* write anything unappealing.


Do I sound desperate? *shifty eyes*

[hederahelix.livejournal.com]

Thursdays are my super long (read: 12 hour) days at work, so I *just* make it home in time to see SPN. And will continued to do exactly that for the next two weeks.

Basically that means that I'm just so ready to do something fun and non work related that I'm not in deep analytical mode when I sit down to watch.

Reading these comments made me realize what I thought about when John Winchester was more emotional on the phone than Dean was: I was thinking that if it was John, being on the other side, had made him more likely to see the emotional stuff that he hadn't been able to/wanted to handle when he was alive. In other words, since John couldn't help them any more, he'd let go of the ruthless pragmatism that he had to have as a hunter with two sons who'd been targeted, and his need to protect and love the boys took priority.

Or, at least, I think that's what I was thinking.

[eloise-bright.livejournal.com]

WORD. That was the moment I knew it wasn't John. *sigh*

[rivers-bend.livejournal.com]

Dean's need for his father... HEARTBREAKING.

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

I know, right? That scene of Dean staying up to listen for the phone? OWW.

[spinfrog.livejournal.com]

...Sam had a girlfriend and is also moderately civilized...

so basically, steady relationship with a woman civilizes a man? ;)

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

Hey, it could be a guy too! It's egalitarian.

(Of course, I'm a woman in a relationship with a woman and I'M completely uncivilized. But I hug quite readily.)

[lomer.livejournal.com]

Hearing his voice really made it tangible how much I've MISSED Daddy Winchester.

[meredevachon]

Because if anybody would look at heaven's gates and go "later, I'm busy," it's John Effing Winchester.

Oh hell yeah! (pardon the pun)