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[nilchance]

I have issues. And I have neeeeeeds.



I was actually pumped to hear the S3 spoilers about the boys meeting up with two new female characters, because, hi! Femslash for the show! More het! There is no downside here. I was even, more the fool me, kinda hoping that the female hunter character might have visible strength. I'm not asking for a weightlifter here, but maybe the physique of a runner or a swimmer. I was even thinking that maybe Kripke and co might take the opportunity to incorporate more people of color into the show. (And yeah, I know that SPN is actually more diverse than most of TV.)

Yeah, um, not so much. And I understand, it's TV, they're playing to Peoria, whatever. We're in a country where America Ferrera and Sara Ramirez are considered fat. It's a TV culture where the average-looking guy is always special and gets the hot girl, and the reverse (like Ugly Betty) is revolutionary. That's how we roll.

But y'know what? I'm still cranky. I want to see more characters like Lenore or Ellen. I want to see a female hunter who looks like she could fuck your shit up and then go eat some pie. I want to see Sarah Connor doing pullups on her bed. I want belly-padding and wide hips and full cheeks and big butts, more cushion for the pushin', women built for comfort and not for speed.

I want OFC fic! Smut with Dean with curved women whose bellies and thighs are soft enough to cushion his head, who get doublechins when they giggle and who don't fuck around with salad. A big, bold Earth Mama who wears bright colors and probably has to stand on an applebox to make out with either of them, but who won't take any shit. A Rubenesque lush lady who wears red lipstick and high heels and has awesome cleavage, and who struts over and buys Sam tequila. Mmmmm.

Comments

[poisontaster]

So...you guys are writing this together, right??

[amalthia]

I wanted a Zoe on SPN! I'm still dissapointed about their casting choice. They went for sterotypical white girl and that sucks. Where are the hispanic chicks! I love America Ferrera.

[amalthia]

I loved Ripley in Alien and Aliens. :) I think that part with her asking Hicks to show her what the gun can do was one of my favorite scenes. :)

[idiot4dean.livejournal.com]

It seems you've got a lot of fans on this. It seems the stick insects rule TV or at least that's what the PTB want to see.

I agree with you we need some more real women like Ellen, Lenore and Missouri on the show. Although with Dean going for enjoying his last year maybe they'll bring some in for him to have some fun with!!! I was trying to think of an American actress with the right attributes but came unstuck the only ones I could think of were older.

[modillian.livejournal.com]

Gaaaah. This is so very sensual and sensory-appreciative. You can't convince me that Sam'n Dean haven't run across (and been interested by) these women after traveling dozens of times across the states. Mmmhmm.

[star-dancer54.livejournal.com]

lol That would be the Stephanie Plum (http://amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/002-2134942-8396014?initialSearch=1&url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=stephanie+plum) series, by Janet Evanovitch. It's highly amusing and one of the characters in there, Lula, just totally sounds like she'd do exactly what you wrote :)

[hanahap.livejournal.com]

It would be so, so nice to see something like your rant (hehe) on tv. And realistic. I was kind of up on the fence when I heard about the new characters for the show, but I'm worried now that they'll be stereotypical booooring. As if we don't see that on practically every other show. And Sam may break size 0 chicks. Just saying - he's a big boy.

And while I'm sure Dean and Sam, like every other guy, lust after hot chicks from magazines and porn movies, I'm also sure, like every other guy, Sam and Dean also like real like women too.

Man, you just reminded me, Sarah Connor was the shiz-it!

[babelmira.livejournal.com]

When are they going to realise that real women are sexy?

[lomer.livejournal.com]

If the hair's too long it's a liability. If it's too short, it gets in your face. It's either got to be boy short, or long enough for a good solid pony tail, braid, or bun. It may not be as romantic as long flowing locks but it also won't get in your eyes when you're trying to shoot something.

I love Kara Thrace on Battlestar Galactica because she actually looks like she could kick someone's ass! She's got muscles, and knows how to move like a fighter, not a model. She's gorgeous, but not conventionally "pretty."

I want to see a hunter with a scar on her face! She wouldn't be ashamed of it though. She'd wear it like a badge of honor.

It's possible to be muscular and still look feminine. Hell, I'd even be grateful for a woman to be fit like a dancer on this show. Dancers have to be insanely conditioned. They're still pretty and petite, but STRONG at the same time. Give me a dancer over a model who needs to eat a cookie, anyday. See? I'm willing to compromise with the idiotic network executives. You can have your eye candy, just give me a little realism while you're at it.

[lomer.livejournal.com]

... so you can see her beige FULL-ASSED UNDERPANTS (no fucking thongs or g-strings).

As someone who has a very physical career let me just say that it takes supportive underwear to get crap done! You can't be bothered with butt floss. Some people swear by it, but geez it's freakin' distracting! Let active people wear sensible underwear for gods sake.

Does Dean wear a man-kini? No. Why? Because there are other more important things he needs to focus on... like killing the six headed, fire breathing, baby eating monster in front of him. Let the girls have the same common sense.

(And to those of you who swear by thongs. More power to you!)

[kelly-girl.livejournal.com]

It is! That and when she had to figure out how to get out of the shatter proof room. Oh and Hicks diving through the window as the other guy shot it out. So good.

Re: oh, yeah!

[kelly-girl.livejournal.com]

I love that movie too. And then her and James Spader have hot sex in a her room! Score! She's very hot. I loved her arms in "What's love got to do with it."

Man, she'd climb on Dean and make him scream her name.

[kelly-girl.livejournal.com]

Um, omg, let us all know! I will give you copious amounts of feedback and squee. Seriously, I have virtual pom poms and i'm not afraid to use them.

[livsnddark.livejournal.com]

God YES! Someone real and hard not bubblegum fake kickass. (your far more eloquent =) )

I was hoping for this when I first heard about Jo episodes. Sadly didn't quite happen now did it? Well at least not for me. I'm still hoping maybe for S3, but it's not looking too promising. I'm going to wait till I see though before I commit to all out bitching like a few of the fandom are doing.

...I'm still hoping Ellen will be back.

[apostrophee.livejournal.com]

I swear girl, preach it, preach on!! I have nothing to add here that hasn't already been said so I'll just do that 'head nodding' thing. I would LOVE to see a Queen Latifah type of woman on that show kicking ass (Missouri was awesome, but give me a strong girl with some *glam* and sex appeal and NOT the matronly mom type) -because let's be real here, even in a fictional sense, there is NO way you're gonna get me to believe Katie Cassidy is going to kick anyones ass. It took me two seasons to buy into Buffy -and even then, I mostly watched for Xander.

I do think Supernatural has been pretty good with adding more diverse characters -racially speaking that is, especially on a network that up until it merged with UPN was mostly just a vanilla / white bread kind of place, but I too was hoping that for one of the women they'd cast a dark / exotic woman. Just by reading the sides I had pictured Ruby as a Caribbean woman speaking with an accent and telling Sam that he was 'dizzy up in the head'.

[quiet000001.livejournal.com]

You can't be bothered with butt floss. Some people swear by it, but geez it's freakin' distracting! Let active people wear sensible underwear for gods sake.

Dude, totally. I admit I wear low-rise stuff ('cause the only jeans that actually FIT me are low rise, and no one needs to be seeing my underwear over the waistband of my jeans ALL THE TIME[1]) but they'd damn well better be comfy and not all sweaty and riding up.

[1]- Note to the people in the world wearing skinny jeans that they can't actually pull up over their asses so basically ALL of their underwear is hanging out? You are not cute. I do not want to see if your boxers have frogs on them. Sags did not look good when they were saggy, they do not look good now that they look spray-painted on below your knees.

[lomer.livejournal.com]

Oh I wear the low-rise stuff too, but I always do the "sit test" before buying it. If I sit down and my ass is showing in any way, I don't buy the jeans. I can tolerate a slip of undie waistband every once in awhile, but plumber's cracks look good on NO ONE.

And this is purely my opinion and kinda off topic but I abhore the skinny jean style. It really does nothing to flatter anyone. If you're skinny, you look anerexic. If you've had a sandwich or two in your past, then you look huge. No one wins with skinny jeans.

[guard-the-cards.livejournal.com]

I hate the whole "Women in heels" thing, because do men understand HOW much they're killing thier women's feet with that. NO ONE could be a hunter in heels. Neither of those girls could actually do jack shit if they were in a fight, super powers would be needed and I really don't want buffy.

And while I have no issue with the long hiar (French braids and buns ftw) the whole thing of girls must look good while they hunt drives me batty.

And the reverse is true. Why should Kripke and the boys make them cheesecake posters with various shots of the boys shirtless. If we're going to go wacko on guys for not appreciating girls with more various phsyics then we should look at guys like that, or at least not pause and rewind to see Dean strip before his skin comes off.

[spinfrog.livejournal.com]

I now have a Dean-loses-his-virginity-to-the-biggest-girl-in-school bunny

Yes!! All the other girls at school think Dean is so hot he would never even look at them twice, so ppor Dean is not getting any action, but this big chick is totally aggressive and TELLS him to meet her and PUSHES him against things and shoves her hands into his clothes.... :)

(I recall Dean being really OK with Cassie pushing him and climbing on top, btw..)

[spinfrog.livejournal.com]

Oh, er, sorry about the typo(s). Also, Sara Connor!!!! OMG, those muscles were so hot! :)

[spinfrog.livejournal.com]

You know, all this, plus I just re-watched Hunted, and suddenly I am all *lightbulb* "OMG! Ellen has a thing for Sam!"

Seriously, the way she said his name when he called to ask her about Gordon! She was so totally flirting with him!!!

[realpestilence.livejournal.com]

I've been reading some of the comments and musing again, 'cause you know I can't keep off your lj.

There's nothing wrong with liking to look at hot girls or guys, or admiring them with shirts off-everybody likes the pretty. It's just that there's a wider variety of "hot" out there that we don't get to see on tv or in movies, female hotness in particular. The stick insects are attractive to many people; but tv, thus Kripke and co, apparently thinks *only* the stick insect types are hot. (Good name for them!) This is obviously not the case.

You *can* be heavy or rounded and healthily-toned. I like watching ballroom dancing & once saw this dancer (years ago) named Kimberly Mitchell; by comparison to the other women, she was chunky, but damn can she dance. She wore the same flashy, skimpy dresses they did & I remember my sister calling my mom & me to come back, commercial's over-Kimberly's on! And we rushed back to watch her again, fascinated to see this very curvy and completely unselfconscious bigger woman moving so gracefully.

Now for all I know, if I saw her up close, she wouldn't look so big-maybe it was just in comparison to the other, thinner women that made her look larger. But it *was* a noticable size difference and it made me feel...good.


I like the idea of female hunters. It makes sense particularly in the south, which has a strong tradition of women hunting with their men, and handling guns. I don't know why any female character has to establish her worth by kicking Dean's ass at something. Why can't she just be really good at her chosen job, have her own skills, and be a confident person-like a male character would be presented? Like it's nothing extraordinary that hey, this hunter's competent, capable, attractive and OMIGOD IT'S A WOMAN! Talk about your shock and awe! *snorts* It's like...they have to out-Dean him to be worthy or something, like a cariacature. (I don't notice anyone rushing to outresearch Sam to show how badass they are, unless I've missed something. Poor Sammy.)

I was wondering recently-what would happen if Dean met "Carmen" for real? He's got the memory of what it was like to have that relationship; I think it would be fascinating to see him meet her and have to deal with her not being *his* Carmen, or knowing him. Would she be as cool?



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[birdofparadox.livejournal.com]

Give me Gina Torres over SMG, anyday.

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

*laugh* Dude, for serious, I'm chubby and I'm a total slut. (Okay, in that monogamous married way, but still!) There's this belief that chubby people do it in the dark with the lights off.

Or there are the obnoxious "here are the positions that fat people should have sex in because it makes them look thinner!" suggestions. I'm sorry, but if I'm bumping uglies, I'm not worried about the chub rubbing or the fat rippling or whatever. I'm more worried about the batteries running out. (Dear Cosmo: YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.)

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

Oh God, yes. Brit shows are awesome for sturdy women. Gwen! Martha! Hell, even Rose would probably be the Chubby Friend on American TV.