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[nilchance]

If I actually KNEW Sam and Dean as real live people? This would be the point where I'd tell them to spend some time apart. They're clawing blindly at each other now, trying to get out of this Chinese finger trap where the harder they pull, the tighter it gets. And neither of them are WRONG, persay, just that they're really fucking up their communication. And I know the show is based on them together, and so they CAN'T get away from each other, but jesus. It's a pressure cooker, and I don't LIKE that from my texts or my shows. Why is there more pressure in this season, where there's no clock ticking down, than in last season's countdown to hell? Because the personal dynamics are all screwy, and... okay. There's this coming sense of another "get out and don't come back" ultimatum on the horizon.

Sam and Dean are both so much John's kids. I mean, the show is retcon-ing out a lot of John's influence because they can't get JDM, or because the writers need therapy, or whatever, they're still writing in "oh, Bobby was like a father to me" and "oh, Sam and Dean could only rely on each other" and "oh, John would never become a hunter, it's all because of Mary being a hunter" dilution of the first season's equation: their pack was the three of them, that's why they fought so hard to find John. But, um, I'm not bitter or anything. ANYWAY. The fact that Dean is starting to come into his own and question John's orders is undoing some of the family threads that kept them (claustrophobically, maybe unhealthily) close. All that was left was PROTECT SAM, the prime directive, except Sam doesn't WANT to be protected and Sam doesn't NEED him and why did he go to hell, anyway? What is the POINT?

And then you have Sam, fighting dirty like his father: as poisontaster said, Dean attacks actions while Sam attacks SELF. So. Sam is all fucked up and lashing out and going down a dark path of vengeance and hey, who does THAT sound like? Sam is re-enacting a lot of the problem behaviors of John's that led Sam to leave for California in the first place. Sam's moral ground? Gone. It's been gone since he fucked Ruby and started using his psychic powers to exorcise (and maybe torture) demons. Sam is modeling the one (royally fucked up) model of adult hunter that he has. He called Dean "kiddo" in the beginning of this ep: rewind and look at season 1, and check out the affection-name John has for Sam. But for all that, John kept himself from going completely Mystery-Spot crazy because he had kids to protect, and Sam doesn't have that. Sam isn't holding on for anybody. He's driving straight down, and only hitting rock bottom will snap him out of it, if it doesn't kill him. The point being, Sam has crossed that point where Dean could realistically help him. Only Sam can help Sam, and he doesn't seem to WANT to be helped.

So. All that typing, and all I really mean is: a) writers, have them split up at the finale, fast forward a few years and go from there. Castiel and Dean roadtripping around! Sam going crazy and getting scraped up by an awesome nun (with shotguns under her habit! "But God never met an asshole like you.") and then joining a Benedictine convent, or teaching comparative religion at a university! C'mon, you know it'd be awesome.
b) MOAR JOHN PLZ.

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[silverkit.livejournal.com]

Sam going crazy and getting scraped up by an awesome nun (with shotguns under her habit! "But God never met an asshole like you.

Dear God,

If you ever liked me at all you will make this happen on SPN.

Cool look at the last episode!

[tabaqui]

I think this is full of squee, because it's touching on all the layers and sideways motivations and deep-down sicknesses that are fucking these boys both up, and *that* is what i love about Show.

Yes, more John - stop making movies, Jeffery and come back to show for a little while! Let Dean have a little bit of a psychotic break and hallucinate John for a couple episodes, have those conversations you never dared to have when he was alive!!!
*dances*

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

Like Izzy and Denny?

(Plz show, throw in some 4th wall sexxing while you're there. *koff*)

[tabaqui]

I......don't know who Izzy and Denny are, but it they're a person and a ghost, then yes!
:)

[serendip50.livejournal.com]

Great review. Haven't seen this epi yet, but from what I can gather it is a stunner. Heads will be rolling, me thinks.

Sam was always more his father's son than he would like to admit. Fiery, headstrong, selfish, and self-indulgent. Ultimately on the road to self-destruction. Perhaps.
Dean on the otherhand, has always been and remains his mother's son. Loyal, obsessed, protective, strong but at the same time weak and maybe vulnerable. But who and what will prevail remains to be seen.

I hope Kripke knows what he is doing. I hope he does not loose his direction. And I hope he reveals a great and worthy epiphany. xx

[kuhekabir.livejournal.com]

oh i totally love your idea on where the show should be going...and actually...i totally agree with what you said and until you said it, i actually didnt realize that sam was turning into john, i mean i sort of knew but having it spelled out like that, really opened my eyes...

i love the show and all, but i do miss them being close, that was what made me fall in love with the in the beginning...that they would do everything for each other and i cant feel that any more...i get the impression sam wouldnt give his life to save dean any more and dean most certianly seems to be wondering why he gave his for sam...

and that is something i dont like, i hope it can be fixed...sigh...

[melted-snowdrop.livejournal.com]

you need to get hired as one of the SPN writers, I swear to god.

[deadlychameleon.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I still love the boys, you know? But I like to see them happy *sometimes*.

[oaktree89.livejournal.com]

I thought it was incredibly weird when Sam called Dean "Kiddo" and the world didn't explode. Or at least, Dean didn't call him out on it.

[kimannebb.livejournal.com]

I like your ideas about Sam. You're right, Sam is past the point where he sees he's wrong. He has a lot of darkness in him, and it's all pointing to Dean. Maybe he still resents Dean chosing to go to Hell for him. Maybe he doesn't like Dean trying to tell him what to do, ie like John. But one thing is clear - Sam and John are the same. John even said that to his face. And a nice explanation of what held John into the real world. What held Sam was Dean, then Dean went to Hell for four months and he was on his own, and he almost self imploded then - but Ruby stepped in.

I don't think the writers are going to do to the split up and pick up a year down the line. I think Sam is going to hit bottom in the middle of this war between Demons and Angels and Dean will be there to pick up the pieces. It will take a long time for Sam to put himself back together, to be able to trust himself, but I really don't see them splitting up the brothers at the end of the season.

(Primarily because The CW is balanced right now between the "black" and "red" that I'm half afraid the network won't be back. I'd like to think that the writers aren't going to leave us in a spot where they might not be able to tell the end of the story.)

[littlepunkryo.livejournal.com]

I really do wonder if John would be happy with the hunter Sam turned out to be. I kind of think it would break his heart a little.

[manzanas-verdes.livejournal.com]

The point being, Sam has crossed that point where Dean could realistically help him. Only Sam can help Sam, and he doesn't seem to WANT to be helped.

See? that right there is what I think defines Sam as a character, yes, he's smart and independent and capable, yes, I do believe he did the right thing going to California to pursue the life he wanted for himself. No, I do not think he's all innocent and Dean and him need to sit down and talk it out, talking isn't gonna help right now because their problems go beyond their interactions, their problems are straight down to the bone of their relationship, and to fix this relationship they need to distance themselves from it (or each other) in order to get some perspective.

But back to Sam (because this is the big discovery for me today, I can name my feelings for him, THANK YOU), I think his best quality is also his biggest downfall, and this isn't really all that unexpected but still a huge deal for me because I feel like I get Sam's deal at long friggin' last!

[jooniper-pearl.livejournal.com]

Now that JDM isn't having weird ghost!sex with Izzy, he can come back and be Papa!Winchester again!! MFY?