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[nilchance]

I have issues. And I have neeeeeeds.



I was actually pumped to hear the S3 spoilers about the boys meeting up with two new female characters, because, hi! Femslash for the show! More het! There is no downside here. I was even, more the fool me, kinda hoping that the female hunter character might have visible strength. I'm not asking for a weightlifter here, but maybe the physique of a runner or a swimmer. I was even thinking that maybe Kripke and co might take the opportunity to incorporate more people of color into the show. (And yeah, I know that SPN is actually more diverse than most of TV.)

Yeah, um, not so much. And I understand, it's TV, they're playing to Peoria, whatever. We're in a country where America Ferrera and Sara Ramirez are considered fat. It's a TV culture where the average-looking guy is always special and gets the hot girl, and the reverse (like Ugly Betty) is revolutionary. That's how we roll.

But y'know what? I'm still cranky. I want to see more characters like Lenore or Ellen. I want to see a female hunter who looks like she could fuck your shit up and then go eat some pie. I want to see Sarah Connor doing pullups on her bed. I want belly-padding and wide hips and full cheeks and big butts, more cushion for the pushin', women built for comfort and not for speed.

I want OFC fic! Smut with Dean with curved women whose bellies and thighs are soft enough to cushion his head, who get doublechins when they giggle and who don't fuck around with salad. A big, bold Earth Mama who wears bright colors and probably has to stand on an applebox to make out with either of them, but who won't take any shit. A Rubenesque lush lady who wears red lipstick and high heels and has awesome cleavage, and who struts over and buys Sam tequila. Mmmmm.

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[derryderrydown.livejournal.com]

OH, GOD, YES!

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

Right? I mean, where are the fat bottomed girls who make the rocking world go 'round?

(I need me some damn Ellen icons.)

[evenfers.livejournal.com]

what is it with all these kickass!characters with matchstick upper arms? (Buffy, I'm looking at YOU, though Joss built in his own slayer-strength cop-out, and Zoe makes up for A LOT)

:mmm, Zoe:

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

Dude, Joss won points for Zoe, and then lost them for River. Enough with the tiny childlike women warriors, Joss, your libido is showing.

Mm, Zoe, indeed. That's a gorgeous woman.

[star-dancer54.livejournal.com]

I AGREE. My sister and I have a term for those scrawny things that are supposed to be in nowadays - stick insects. I'd be damned happier if there WERE more curvy women on there, 'cause god knows it's just not right. *nodnod*

Also, this: A Rubenesque lush lady who wears red lipstick and high heels and has awesome cleavage, and who struts over and buys Sam tequila. makes me happy in my pants and reminds me of a series of books that I happen to love XD

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

Ooh, what books? I'm always on the lookout.

[faithette.livejournal.com]

I want to see more characters like Lenore or Ellen. I want to see a female hunter who looks like she could fuck your shit up and then go eat some pie.

I just got this mental image of some bad-ass woman saving Dean's ass, giving him a hand up off the floor, and then saying "Hey, I could really go for some pie... wanna join me?" *snickers*

I want to see Sarah Connor doing pullups on her bed.

Oh HELL YEAH! Now she would make one bad-ass hunter! (and a plot bunny was born... if a woman, on her own, was going to spend her life hunting evil, wouldn't she want to be in really awesome condition? C'mon, Kripke!)

How about this? Sam and Dean are in a bar... Dean notices two women in particular... one cute little thing, flirting with him big time... and one watching him, sitting at her table, nursing her drink... a little older, rough around the edges, lean, strong, maybe a couple scars. Would make an interesting story (and I can't believe I'm thinking het lol)

I want OFC fic! Smut with Dean with curved women whose bellies and thighs are soft enough to cushion his head, who get doublechins when they giggle and who don't fuck around with salad. A big, bold Earth Mama who wears bright colors and probably has to stand on an applebox to make out with either of them, but who won't take any shit. A Rubenesque lush lady who wears red lipstick and high heels and has awesome cleavage, and who struts over and buys Sam tequila. Mmmmm.

Now, that would be some het I'd be willing to read! *snickers*

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

if a woman, on her own, was going to spend her life hunting evil, wouldn't she want to be in really awesome condition? C'mon, Kripke
Exactly! I mean, it's the chainmail bikini principle. Any hunter running into a combat situation in a belly-baring shirt with long hair flapping in the breeze and no weight to throw behind her blows is, well, going to get smacked. Although I guess if you're fighting something incorporeal you don't really PUNCH, but still, pockets for the rocksalt might be nice.

Mmm. I like that story idea; Dean could do with a rough older woman.

[unrund.livejournal.com]

Yes, exactly! [although german television minus the soaps are actually showing real people who are not looking as if they are starving half to death.]

[hucknclem.livejournal.com]

I LOVE this post. Yes please on all of this, including the OFC fic, because that's just fun *contemplates the possibilities*! :)

[mona1347.livejournal.com]

SO MUCH WORD I CANNOT POSSIBLY ARTICULATE IT IN HUMAN LANGUAGE.

*leaps all over you* And not just because I could then more easily Mary Sue myself.

Oh god, plz consider unlocking this so I can link to it?

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

I'm a slaaave for you. *grin* Duly unlocked.

Dude, yeah, that's definitely part of it. But I also kinda think it makes sense. Sam would do good with a woman he felt like he couldn't break, an anti-Jessica with dark hair and hips and belly and glasses who majored in astrophysics or something. (And no, I totally didn't have a Sam/OFC plotbunny with a large and in charge nerdy professional skeptic, ala Ghosthunters.) And Dean NEEDS a woman who properly appreciates food.

[stephanometra.livejournal.com]

Smut with Dean with curved women whose bellies and thighs are soft enough to cushion his head, who get doublechins when they giggle and who don't fuck around with salad. A big, bold Earth Mama who wears bright colors and probably has to stand on an applebox to make out with either of them, but who won't take any shit. A Rubenesque lush lady who wears red lipstick and high heels and has awesome cleavage, and who struts over and buys Sam tequila.

This entire paragraph turns me on a ridiculous amount and I am genuinely trying to write at least one of those scenarios in my head right now.

[defenestration.livejournal.com]

You absolutely made me smile.

Seriously, people always blink in shock when they find out that I'm as big a slut as Dean. "But you're... chubby." *eyeroll*

GOLLY GEE, CHUBBY CHICKS HAVE SEX DRIVES? THEY CAN GET LAID?

You win today!

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

*laugh* Dude, for serious, I'm chubby and I'm a total slut. (Okay, in that monogamous married way, but still!) There's this belief that chubby people do it in the dark with the lights off.

Or there are the obnoxious "here are the positions that fat people should have sex in because it makes them look thinner!" suggestions. I'm sorry, but if I'm bumping uglies, I'm not worried about the chub rubbing or the fat rippling or whatever. I'm more worried about the batteries running out. (Dear Cosmo: YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.)

[kuhekabir.livejournal.com]

Argh, you just gave me a mental picture...good one. :)

[titti]

From the moment I saw the two female additions, I've been saying that my nine year old daughter could kick their ass and still have time to go play. I would have loved someone like Martha on Dr. Who or even Gwen (whom I don't like as a character) on Torchwood, but then those are Brit shows.

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

Oh God, yes. Brit shows are awesome for sturdy women. Gwen! Martha! Hell, even Rose would probably be the Chubby Friend on American TV.

[beanside.livejournal.com]

How's this:

Another day, another round of haunting the library. It didn't really bother him, Sam thought. Though it was a little annoying that neither Dean nor Dad would do it.

Sure, get a guy outa hell, get your brother's deal revoked, and you still have to deal with the locals, and their shitty, dusty fucking records. No love.

Worse, they were in Texas during the summer, and the library's air conditioning was on the blink. Sam walked up to the desk, putting on his best smile. "I'm sorry to bother you, ma'am," he murmured at the elderly woman behind the desk. "I'm looking for the microfilm for the Hondo Anvil Herald for 1965."

"Oh dear, I'm afraid Lupeta has that year. She's over there. You an get it when she's done."

Sam headed in the direction of the woman's vague gesture, and finally caught sight of the woman in front of the reader. She was obviously of Mexican descent, but there was more to it than that, an odd cant of her eyes, a wave to her black hair. Worst of all was the body--lush, and ripe, and totally not at all what he normally went for, but he found himself responding just the same.

As though she felt him watching, she looked up, pinning him with dark eyes, and scowling.

For the first time, Sam wished he had Dean's confidence with girls. He'd never tell it to his brother, but Jessica had pursued him. They'd gone out for the first time because she told him they were going to, and his ass better be ready at seven.

She was looking at him expectantly, and Sam forced his usual bullshit smile. "Hi, when you're done, can I take a look at that?"

[stephanometra.livejournal.com]

HONDO. OMFG, I LOVE TINY-TOWN TEXAS.

...

Lupe nods and turns back to the film. The boy is still staring at her, trying to be inconspicuous about it, but she can see out of the corner of her eye - his eyes keep flicking from her hips to her tits to the curve of her lips and back again. Fuckin' out-of-towner, this one.

She clears her throat, and he colors and turns away, scrubbing a hand through his hair.

The movement makes his shirt pulls tight over his shoulders. Out-of-towner, but he's strong. Put together right. And shit, he's got hands as big as her head.

She hums under her breath, smiles a little. She's about done with the fiche anyway.

He starts when she touches his elbow, skin hot through his shirt. "It's all yours," she says, pitching her voice low, and she grins when he stutters his thanks.

There are a couple of chairs, worn and well-loved, sitting across the aisle from the microfiche, and she settles in one, pulling a magazine from the periodical rack and watching him. He can't concentrate on whatever he's doing - she highly doubts he's looking up his Abuela's wedding announcement, like she had been - because he keeps giving her sidelong glances.

[topaz119.livejournal.com]

heh. In the tangle of WiPs on my flash drive, there is one where something ancient and powerful's cursed Dean and Missouri sends them to someone she's heard of, a healer who lives on a mountain in North Carolina and who is most definitely not anorexic looking. And there might possibly be sex magick to uncurse Dean and Sam might need to be there, too. Purely to keep Dean grounded, you understand. Medically necessary. *koff*

so, uh, yeah. What you said. =)

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

a healer who lives on a mountain in North Carolina and who is most definitely not anorexic looking. And there might possibly be sex magick to uncurse Dean and Sam might need to be there, too. Purely to keep Dean grounded, you understand. Medically necessary. *koff*

Hi, my libido just went !!!!! at the Sam being present for the sex magick thing. Mmmmmrgh. *paws*

[ladyjanelly.livejournal.com]

I've only seen the CW trailers, but dude.

Long hair is such a liability. And twiggy girls don't kick anybody's ass.

I remember on Rescue Me, when they were getting a girl in the station and the boys were making all this fuss about not trusting her with their lives and I was like "What's the big deal? If she passes the physical tests, she can do the job." but the girl fire-fighter had upper arms the size of my wrist and I wouldn't have wanted her carrying me anywhere.

I want to see girls who look like me on tv. Sigh.

[lomer.livejournal.com]

If the hair's too long it's a liability. If it's too short, it gets in your face. It's either got to be boy short, or long enough for a good solid pony tail, braid, or bun. It may not be as romantic as long flowing locks but it also won't get in your eyes when you're trying to shoot something.

I love Kara Thrace on Battlestar Galactica because she actually looks like she could kick someone's ass! She's got muscles, and knows how to move like a fighter, not a model. She's gorgeous, but not conventionally "pretty."

I want to see a hunter with a scar on her face! She wouldn't be ashamed of it though. She'd wear it like a badge of honor.

It's possible to be muscular and still look feminine. Hell, I'd even be grateful for a woman to be fit like a dancer on this show. Dancers have to be insanely conditioned. They're still pretty and petite, but STRONG at the same time. Give me a dancer over a model who needs to eat a cookie, anyday. See? I'm willing to compromise with the idiotic network executives. You can have your eye candy, just give me a little realism while you're at it.

[kelly-girl.livejournal.com]

I want to see Sarah Connor doing pullups on her bed.

Jesus, yes. I love that scene and the later one where she pumps the shotgun one-handed. One of my all time fav scenes in any movie.

That and Ripley with her big honkin space gun in Aliens, after telling Michael Biehn's character to show her all of what the gun can do, not just what he thinks she can handle.

So yes, I'm with you on some sturdier looking women on TV, women who look like they enjoy food and fucking and just life.

[amalthia]

I loved Ripley in Alien and Aliens. :) I think that part with her asking Hicks to show her what the gun can do was one of my favorite scenes. :)

[fureux.livejournal.com]

has to stand on an applebox to make out with either of them

*raises hand* <-- works on a fruit and veg stall! <-- has to stand on fucking apple boxes to get ANYTHING done on a day to day basis!

hell yeah, i want a girl with a shiteating grin, boots that are scuffed more than dean's and callouses on her hands.

[realpestilence.livejournal.com]

You want Queen Latifah as a hunter. Or Angela Bassett. Or both!

Speaking as a "Rubenesque" woman myself, I enthusiastically agree.



Pesti

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

Yes, that is EXACTLY what I want. Queen Latifah with her gorgeous, gorgeous body and a shotgun. You know she could whoop somebody's ass and make them cry, then grab Dean by the beltloops. Nnngh.

Angela Bassett. Dude. I am still SO bitter over Alias having her as the CIA director and never letting her even pull a gun. That woman is fierce, ripped and stunning.

[phantomas.livejournal.com]

Sara Ramirez is one of the most beautiful, gorgeous, hot women I've ever seen, and to think that she had problems in doing the 'dance in her panties' scene...Oh, I get SO mad!

And yes, I wish for all that you wrote, too.

[epeeblade]

Seriously! I said the same thing about the hunter woman. I'm thinking they should have got someone at least like Teyla on Stargate:Atlantis. She's beautiful, confident and she's got muscles and looks like she could go toe to toe with the guys.

[killerweasel.livejournal.com]

\o/

Damn right!

[thevulgarvirgin.livejournal.com]

Damn straight.

A lady with real curves and something to grab onto, and a little more diversity could only make the show more awesome!

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

Y'know? I mean, they've shown that they can write these awesome, unusual characters, so let's stretch the boundaries a little!

I think Dean would be thrilled with a woman with meat on her bones, because then there could be sex AND pie.

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

when i finish the dean/queen latifah that i'm writing, you'll be the first one i call.

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

Rock the fuck on.

[pushingyouaway.livejournal.com]

i....think i just fell in love with you a little


*cookies and cake and drops at your feet*


this is what we NEED. not just what we want

what. we. need.

it's bad enough media gives young women (and men) complexes about our looks, but when you have a show that is supposed to be about good ole american boys and HUNTERS and even WOMEN who hunt?

i'm sorry. these girls are very attractive and i do think i'm going to have a thing for the one of the new girls. but, please. eric? be a dear and give me someone whom i could actually BELIEVE could save sam's ass

kthnxbi

(sorry to waste space!)

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

No apologies for wasting space! You're absolutely right, we as a culture need women who represent not some impossible ideal but US. We need women who are round and healthy and vibrant. And yeah, I agree with you, we need a woman who's believably strong.

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

1.) So much WORD that my reaction should really be DICTIONARY.

2.) Sarah Connor! Yes! A tough ass-kicking chick roped with muscles who works out like crazy and hacked off all her hair because bad guys grab that shit during fights, duh! (Although Sarah didn't hack off her hair, but without its unwashed stringy masses how could she have better portrayed her mental instability through cosmetology? ;))

3.) I now have a Dean-loses-his-virginity-to-the-biggest-girl-in-school bunny and it's ALL YOUR FAULT. ;P

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

Mental instability through cosmetology indeed. *snerk* The SPN boys show angst through layers and she shows it through wifebeaters. She could teach them some things! (Step 1: strip and angst. Step 2: ???. Step 3: PROFIT!)

I now have a Dean-loses-his-virginity-to-the-biggest-girl-in-school bunny and it's ALL YOUR FAULT. ;P
I feel like I should get a toaster for this.

[vinylroad.livejournal.com]

I love you. Seriously. LOVE AND LOVE.

I've been saying this shit for AGES, but I think most people just kinda peer at me and go, "great, another whiner." I do love Supernatural and I don't think it's a betrayl or mean or conceited to say that I don't agree with how women are portrayed on the show.

I am not thrilled with the spoilers I have seen. I don't like that one looks like redux!Jo and the other is some gorgeous little thing (but I still hold out hope because it sounds like she's a bit badass). I have to say, the redux!Jo character is the one that kinda irks me the most. I mean, there was something kinda wirey and boyish about Jo that I liked. This new girl looks like Veronica Mars and Avril Lavigne's love child. And yes, she fights demons with PERFECT HAIR! *sigh* I hope that I am absolutely wrong and she turns out to be awesome.

I've always wanted a more realistic woman on the show. All the women, save for Ellen (and Ellen was still fucking gorgeous), were these pert little archetypal things. I want a mystery woman. I want a woman who drinks beer and belches and would rather sit at home and watch old westerns on TV than go out clubbing or bar hopping. Or a woman who has jeans that don't really fit anymore (because christmas turkey is too tempting), so she just leaves the top button unbuttoned and the fly unzipped so you can see her beige FULL-ASSED UNDERPANTS (no fucking thongs or g-strings).

This post made me really happy.

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

So not a betrayal to say the show has issues with women. (And minorities, actually, but we won't go into that.) If I didn't love the show to death and think Kripke could do better, I wouldn't even TRY. I wouldn't expect better writing. I wouldn't be cranky because they can obviously write fully-rounded, wonderful characters, it's just a matter of shifting the chromosomes.

I've always wanted a more realistic woman on the show. All the women, save for Ellen (and Ellen was still fucking gorgeous), were these pert little archetypal things. I want a mystery woman. I want a woman who drinks beer and belches and would rather sit at home and watch old westerns on TV than go out clubbing or bar hopping. Or a woman who has jeans that don't really fit anymore (because christmas turkey is too tempting), so she just leaves the top button unbuttoned and the fly unzipped so you can see her beige FULL-ASSED UNDERPANTS (no fucking thongs or g-strings).
!!!!

That, that right there is GLEE. Her underwear showing and her readjusting her tits because they ran from the monsters and now her cups overfloweth. YES. And the belching! Dean needs to hook up with a girl he can have belching contests with, God damn it.