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[nilchance]

I have issues. And I have neeeeeeds.



I was actually pumped to hear the S3 spoilers about the boys meeting up with two new female characters, because, hi! Femslash for the show! More het! There is no downside here. I was even, more the fool me, kinda hoping that the female hunter character might have visible strength. I'm not asking for a weightlifter here, but maybe the physique of a runner or a swimmer. I was even thinking that maybe Kripke and co might take the opportunity to incorporate more people of color into the show. (And yeah, I know that SPN is actually more diverse than most of TV.)

Yeah, um, not so much. And I understand, it's TV, they're playing to Peoria, whatever. We're in a country where America Ferrera and Sara Ramirez are considered fat. It's a TV culture where the average-looking guy is always special and gets the hot girl, and the reverse (like Ugly Betty) is revolutionary. That's how we roll.

But y'know what? I'm still cranky. I want to see more characters like Lenore or Ellen. I want to see a female hunter who looks like she could fuck your shit up and then go eat some pie. I want to see Sarah Connor doing pullups on her bed. I want belly-padding and wide hips and full cheeks and big butts, more cushion for the pushin', women built for comfort and not for speed.

I want OFC fic! Smut with Dean with curved women whose bellies and thighs are soft enough to cushion his head, who get doublechins when they giggle and who don't fuck around with salad. A big, bold Earth Mama who wears bright colors and probably has to stand on an applebox to make out with either of them, but who won't take any shit. A Rubenesque lush lady who wears red lipstick and high heels and has awesome cleavage, and who struts over and buys Sam tequila. Mmmmm.

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[nilchance.livejournal.com]

Ooh, what books? I'm always on the lookout.

[kelly-girl.livejournal.com]

I want to see Sarah Connor doing pullups on her bed.

Jesus, yes. I love that scene and the later one where she pumps the shotgun one-handed. One of my all time fav scenes in any movie.

That and Ripley with her big honkin space gun in Aliens, after telling Michael Biehn's character to show her all of what the gun can do, not just what he thinks she can handle.

So yes, I'm with you on some sturdier looking women on TV, women who look like they enjoy food and fucking and just life.

[evenfers.livejournal.com]

you know, I tend to forget River is supposed to be physically kickass because I've watched the Firefly eps a kajillion times and the movie like, twice (it kinda depresses me.) Yeah, didn't buy her killing machine schtick _at all_ once it moved on from brain-killing. Because, TINY, yes. Unless she's moving at incredible speed, the laws of physics only allow her to exert so much force.

:idly ponders length of lever, location of immovable point re shifting Joss's libido:

[fureux.livejournal.com]

has to stand on an applebox to make out with either of them

*raises hand* <-- works on a fruit and veg stall! <-- has to stand on fucking apple boxes to get ANYTHING done on a day to day basis!

hell yeah, i want a girl with a shiteating grin, boots that are scuffed more than dean's and callouses on her hands.

[realpestilence.livejournal.com]

You want Queen Latifah as a hunter. Or Angela Bassett. Or both!

Speaking as a "Rubenesque" woman myself, I enthusiastically agree.



Pesti

[phantomas.livejournal.com]

Sara Ramirez is one of the most beautiful, gorgeous, hot women I've ever seen, and to think that she had problems in doing the 'dance in her panties' scene...Oh, I get SO mad!

And yes, I wish for all that you wrote, too.

[epeeblade]

Seriously! I said the same thing about the hunter woman. I'm thinking they should have got someone at least like Teyla on Stargate:Atlantis. She's beautiful, confident and she's got muscles and looks like she could go toe to toe with the guys.

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

Yes, that is EXACTLY what I want. Queen Latifah with her gorgeous, gorgeous body and a shotgun. You know she could whoop somebody's ass and make them cry, then grab Dean by the beltloops. Nnngh.

Angela Bassett. Dude. I am still SO bitter over Alias having her as the CIA director and never letting her even pull a gun. That woman is fierce, ripped and stunning.

[killerweasel.livejournal.com]

\o/

Damn right!

[thevulgarvirgin.livejournal.com]

Damn straight.

A lady with real curves and something to grab onto, and a little more diversity could only make the show more awesome!

[winterlive.livejournal.com]

when i finish the dean/queen latifah that i'm writing, you'll be the first one i call.

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

Rock the fuck on.

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

Y'know? I mean, they've shown that they can write these awesome, unusual characters, so let's stretch the boundaries a little!

I think Dean would be thrilled with a woman with meat on her bones, because then there could be sex AND pie.

[stephanometra.livejournal.com]

HONDO. OMFG, I LOVE TINY-TOWN TEXAS.

...

Lupe nods and turns back to the film. The boy is still staring at her, trying to be inconspicuous about it, but she can see out of the corner of her eye - his eyes keep flicking from her hips to her tits to the curve of her lips and back again. Fuckin' out-of-towner, this one.

She clears her throat, and he colors and turns away, scrubbing a hand through his hair.

The movement makes his shirt pulls tight over his shoulders. Out-of-towner, but he's strong. Put together right. And shit, he's got hands as big as her head.

She hums under her breath, smiles a little. She's about done with the fiche anyway.

He starts when she touches his elbow, skin hot through his shirt. "It's all yours," she says, pitching her voice low, and she grins when he stutters his thanks.

There are a couple of chairs, worn and well-loved, sitting across the aisle from the microfiche, and she settles in one, pulling a magazine from the periodical rack and watching him. He can't concentrate on whatever he's doing - she highly doubts he's looking up his Abuela's wedding announcement, like she had been - because he keeps giving her sidelong glances.

[pushingyouaway.livejournal.com]

i....think i just fell in love with you a little


*cookies and cake and drops at your feet*


this is what we NEED. not just what we want

what. we. need.

it's bad enough media gives young women (and men) complexes about our looks, but when you have a show that is supposed to be about good ole american boys and HUNTERS and even WOMEN who hunt?

i'm sorry. these girls are very attractive and i do think i'm going to have a thing for the one of the new girls. but, please. eric? be a dear and give me someone whom i could actually BELIEVE could save sam's ass

kthnxbi

(sorry to waste space!)

oh, yeah!

[realpestilence.livejournal.com]

Did you ever see Queen Latifah in 'Chicago'? She played Mama and had a hot music number where she got to flaunt it in a low-cut gold dress. I think some folks were startled that she was actually very sexy-she knows how to present herself. Hell, yeah-she'd know what to do with Dean and something tells me Dean would enjoy the hell out of it. *grins*

I think I have a bit of a girl crush on Angela. I loved her in 'Strange Days' and that science fiction movie she did with James Spader, can't recall the title at the moment. Did you know she wanted to play Storm in 'X-Men'? I *wish* she'd gotten the part; she's a much better actress than the wooden Halle Berry and better-looking, besides. "Fierce, ripped and stunning", indeed.



Pesti

[realpestilence.livejournal.com]

Honey, baby, darlin'...can I be the second? *wheedles*


I think "Sex and Pie" is the perfect title for a Queen Latifah/Dean fic! *points to nilchance's comment above*


Pesti

[apocalypsos.livejournal.com]

1.) So much WORD that my reaction should really be DICTIONARY.

2.) Sarah Connor! Yes! A tough ass-kicking chick roped with muscles who works out like crazy and hacked off all her hair because bad guys grab that shit during fights, duh! (Although Sarah didn't hack off her hair, but without its unwashed stringy masses how could she have better portrayed her mental instability through cosmetology? ;))

3.) I now have a Dean-loses-his-virginity-to-the-biggest-girl-in-school bunny and it's ALL YOUR FAULT. ;P

[vinylroad.livejournal.com]

I love you. Seriously. LOVE AND LOVE.

I've been saying this shit for AGES, but I think most people just kinda peer at me and go, "great, another whiner." I do love Supernatural and I don't think it's a betrayl or mean or conceited to say that I don't agree with how women are portrayed on the show.

I am not thrilled with the spoilers I have seen. I don't like that one looks like redux!Jo and the other is some gorgeous little thing (but I still hold out hope because it sounds like she's a bit badass). I have to say, the redux!Jo character is the one that kinda irks me the most. I mean, there was something kinda wirey and boyish about Jo that I liked. This new girl looks like Veronica Mars and Avril Lavigne's love child. And yes, she fights demons with PERFECT HAIR! *sigh* I hope that I am absolutely wrong and she turns out to be awesome.

I've always wanted a more realistic woman on the show. All the women, save for Ellen (and Ellen was still fucking gorgeous), were these pert little archetypal things. I want a mystery woman. I want a woman who drinks beer and belches and would rather sit at home and watch old westerns on TV than go out clubbing or bar hopping. Or a woman who has jeans that don't really fit anymore (because christmas turkey is too tempting), so she just leaves the top button unbuttoned and the fly unzipped so you can see her beige FULL-ASSED UNDERPANTS (no fucking thongs or g-strings).

This post made me really happy.

[vinylroad.livejournal.com]

How easily I have been discarded. *quibble*

Also? It's kinda funny how your story fits in with this post. Like. Kinda crazy.

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

So not a betrayal to say the show has issues with women. (And minorities, actually, but we won't go into that.) If I didn't love the show to death and think Kripke could do better, I wouldn't even TRY. I wouldn't expect better writing. I wouldn't be cranky because they can obviously write fully-rounded, wonderful characters, it's just a matter of shifting the chromosomes.

I've always wanted a more realistic woman on the show. All the women, save for Ellen (and Ellen was still fucking gorgeous), were these pert little archetypal things. I want a mystery woman. I want a woman who drinks beer and belches and would rather sit at home and watch old westerns on TV than go out clubbing or bar hopping. Or a woman who has jeans that don't really fit anymore (because christmas turkey is too tempting), so she just leaves the top button unbuttoned and the fly unzipped so you can see her beige FULL-ASSED UNDERPANTS (no fucking thongs or g-strings).
!!!!

That, that right there is GLEE. Her underwear showing and her readjusting her tits because they ran from the monsters and now her cups overfloweth. YES. And the belching! Dean needs to hook up with a girl he can have belching contests with, God damn it.

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

Mental instability through cosmetology indeed. *snerk* The SPN boys show angst through layers and she shows it through wifebeaters. She could teach them some things! (Step 1: strip and angst. Step 2: ???. Step 3: PROFIT!)

I now have a Dean-loses-his-virginity-to-the-biggest-girl-in-school bunny and it's ALL YOUR FAULT. ;P
I feel like I should get a toaster for this.

[nilchance.livejournal.com]

if a woman, on her own, was going to spend her life hunting evil, wouldn't she want to be in really awesome condition? C'mon, Kripke
Exactly! I mean, it's the chainmail bikini principle. Any hunter running into a combat situation in a belly-baring shirt with long hair flapping in the breeze and no weight to throw behind her blows is, well, going to get smacked. Although I guess if you're fighting something incorporeal you don't really PUNCH, but still, pockets for the rocksalt might be nice.

Mmm. I like that story idea; Dean could do with a rough older woman.

[thevulgarvirgin.livejournal.com]

I just want a girl with some junk in her trunk, puhlease!

sex and pie, I could die happy with that.

[vinylroad.livejournal.com]

I think a lot of it has to do with how we see people paired. It is totally ok for a phsyically stunning woman to get it on with what is considered to be a convetionally unattractive man. Because he's funny or he has a great personality or blah blah blah.

But hot men? CAN ONLY BE PAIRED WITH HOT WOMEN. I can't remember the last time I saw a really hot male character paired with a "chubby" or conventionally unattractive female character. It was probably on the show Popular, which I watched a couple episodes of. And even then, the female character, while by hollywood standard would DEFINTIELY be considered a "fat" character, was still really pretty in my mind (it was Sara Rue). But yeah. It never happens and when it DOES? People are like "OMG! WHAT THE HELL?" like it's some sort of sacrilege. *sigh*


I want stretch marks and flaky skin. I want a woman that likes DOUBLE MEAT on her subs and gets horrifically insulted when people offer her LIGHT beer. Or that sniffs her underwear to make sure they're clean and has two-in-one shampoo/conditioner and who owns one lipstick and tube of mascara.

The thing is... although Dean seems to go for the pretty ones on the show, I can totally see him hooking up with some really unkempt, bulky female hunter who likes Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin. She'd have a huge belt buckle (which for some reason would intimidate him) and a layer of dirt under her fingernails. They'd do it in the back of her rusted Camaro and afterwards she'd eat dill pickle chips from a HUGE bag and sip from a half-full can of flat gingerale.

She totally wouldn't offer him any.

This is seriously my favourite thing this week. Oh man. I love love love female characters (which is why I mainly write het) and Eee... I like people that enjoy them too.